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Post by bigblue on Feb 20, 2007 18:31:51 GMT -6
I don't know how many of you have followed Jim Zumbo's faux pas in his Outdoor Life blog, but I was wondering what you guys thought of semi-automatic hunting rifles. Some states allow them and the pick for many predator hunters is the AR-15, so called assault weapon. What's your ideas on it? Don
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Post by psycho on Feb 20, 2007 19:13:06 GMT -6
I dont like the ar15's in the woods. To many wanna be rambos who will unload a big clip on something, and I dont want to have to fear for my life because of it.
Some semi auto matics are fine, but not those IMO. I think Zumbos article is pretty much, right on. There needs to be a round capacity restriction in all states for all game.
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Post by jalee37190 on Feb 20, 2007 20:06:07 GMT -6
i agree with psycho plus more shots mean less focus on the first one. i prefer a bolt action.
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Post by GrampaJer on Feb 20, 2007 20:55:24 GMT -6
I intend to use my 9mm Hi Point Auto.. looks same as an AR15... I hunt with a Semi Auto Shot Gun. 1 shot = 1 Deer... so whats the problem.. I have seen Hunting NUTS Pumping off shot after shot with a Pump action. It's all in the Maturity of handling the weapon...
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Post by DocHolladay on Feb 21, 2007 0:19:56 GMT -6
The only thing that bothers me about them is how big the magazine/clip is. I think that there should be a limit on the number of rounds allowed while hunting. I would be happy with a maximum of 5 rounds. My Rem. 700 holds 4 plus 1 in the chamber. That is plenty for a hunting situation.
I am all for whatever is legal when hunting, because we already have it hard enough from the politicians and anti's. We start fighting among ourselves and the politicians and anti's only have to sit back and watch us beat ourselves up. There should be limits on round capacity though.
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Post by GrampaJer on Feb 21, 2007 8:03:10 GMT -6
Round capacity is good with me. too.
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Post by juliang on Feb 21, 2007 10:20:39 GMT -6
Well....I have a Rem7400 in 30-06 with a 10 round magazine and feel very comfortable hunting with my AR15, 30 round mag if I want to. I don't go through the woods like Rambo and I don't go around blasting like a mad man. My AR15 is not an assault rifle, I don't have bayonet lugs. tactical anything and all that BS stuff. In fact it has a 24" barrel and a 6/18 scope. This rifle is in fact as accurate as my Tikka Varmint rifle in the same caliber. The AR allows for fast follow up shots. Most people who hunt with a semi auto are not Rambo wannabes. A lot of people who own AR15's with flashlight attachments, bayonets, grenade launchers etc are. Most of those don't hunt though, Praise the Lord!
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Post by bigblue on Feb 21, 2007 15:24:55 GMT -6
Here's Jim Zumbo's statement for those that haven't seen it. Calling these rifles assault weapons and lending a negative conotation to them is a favorite tactic of the gun grabber crowd. Being in the gun writer business and bringing home a paycheck by the good graces of gun owners, Jim should be more aware of that and have thought about it a bit more. When he added that he thought they were terrorist weapons, he really stepped on his dick. While I don't use a semi-auto to hunt with and have no plans or wish to ever do so, I have no problem with other responsible hunters using them. If someone is into spray and prey hunting he'll do it with any gun and he should have his hunting license revoked permanently. There will always be idiots out there hunting just like in every other activity you could name. The type of gun doesn't make the person an idiot. Don
Assault Rifles For Hunters?
As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.
I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.
I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."
Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."
This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.
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Post by GrampaJer on Feb 21, 2007 16:12:19 GMT -6
" REALLY" I might be beyond intelligence, so. Where is it LEGAL to hunt with a FULLY AUTOMATIC RIFLE. ?
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Post by Rookie_Rover on Feb 22, 2007 1:09:56 GMT -6
If folks are going to go huntin' with an AR, that is fine with me... Just dandy...
But, I propose a slight alteration to one thing. With shotguns, a "plug" is available to limit the number of rounds that can be put into the weapon. I propose a magazine with a permanent plug installed, limiting the mag to only 5 rounds. (Making 6 shots available). The reason to have it permanently inside one magazine is so that unlike in shotguns, it can't be put in and taken out easily. I also propose a stiff fine($500-1000) if a hunter is found with a non-limited magazine while hunting.
After the hunt when the person decided to go out and shoot for fun, pop in a 30 and go to it...
This idea would be optimal in my mind, because it is not taking guns out of the hands of civilians, therefore the RKBA folks aren't going to whine, the hunters get to use the ARs so they aren't going to whine, and it is not folks running around with 30 shots at the end of their finger, so I'm not gonna whine.
Call me old fashion, but when I think of hunting weapons, I think of a fine old Bolt Action rifle, scoped with a wood stock... Or maybe a big bore revolver with a nice long barrel. Or even a beautifully stocked double barrel shotgun. I do not envision an AK-47... But, I was born and raised in a hicktown...
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Post by GrampaJer on Feb 22, 2007 9:10:09 GMT -6
Very nicely put ROOKIE....
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Post by bigblue on Feb 22, 2007 14:56:49 GMT -6
I can't see any reason to need more than six rounds, for that matter if I can't get a good shot with the first two, I'm pretty much up the creek. The one problem I see with this argument for magazine limitations is that the anti's will run with it. If six bullets are safer than twenty, wouldn't three be safer than six? Would I then need to plug a Marlin 1894 to limit it's magazine? Most hunters are extremely law abiding and trustworthy citizens, they can be trusted to do the right thing most every time. It's the few yahoos that give the rest a black eye and they should be weeded out regardless of what rifle they use. Good reason for us to police ourselves. The thing that ticked me off along with many others was his statement that semi-auto rifles are terrorist guns. The anti-gunners loved it. The same anti-gunners that are calling any bolt action with a scope, a sniper rifle! Don
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Post by juliang on Feb 22, 2007 18:35:59 GMT -6
surely the whole anti Zumbo thing was that he was splitting our community on an issue that isn't even an issue. Ever heard the expression give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile?? Anti gun people will do just that, today it's a 30 round magazine, and tomorrow..... I am English, believe me that's how they work!! We are doing the same thing here. The fact that some believe that we should have only wooden stocked single stocks and some believe that synthetic stocked 100 round magazines are OK, so what? I will choose a legal rifle for me, you chose a legal rifle for you. Lets not get at each others' throats over this issue. It will also depend what game we are after. Deer in Tennessee or Prairie dogs in Dakota call for different things. Today 2 of us went after Coyotes in TN, 1 single shot 204, 1 bolt action 223. I could have used a 100 round mag on my AR15, but I chose not to. So what if I had?? I'd have come come back with 100 rounds in it anyway as we saw nothing. Lets not get into, I drive a Chevy therefore all Fords are crap territory!! I actually own both by the way!!! We like to hunt with firearms, let the laws to be, decide what we can and cannot use. Let us not try and take away the freedom of choice of our fellow hunters. Should we have 100 rounds or 1, it doesn't make hunting any easier, come on guys, united we stand, divide we surely will fall. I come from a country where it is a nightmare to get any firearm. We live in the land of the free, let's allow each other freedom of choice. I like the freedom to choose between my wooden stocked single shot, or AR 15 and all points in between, as I feel appropriate. Freedom of choice is a good thing, don't let our personal prejudices divide us. Hunting wild game is our goal surely?? It isn't easier no matter what we use.
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Post by michihunter on Feb 23, 2007 6:21:15 GMT -6
Zumbo got his just desserts for being ignorant. What is an "assault" rifle? To me it's a rifle that is fully automatic. Not semi. As to the Rambo types in the woods, I bet you see a lot more shotgun "accidents" than you do semi "accidents". Won't hear to many calling for the restriction of them!!
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Post by psycho on Feb 23, 2007 6:59:42 GMT -6
Zumbo got his just desserts for being ignorant. What is an "assault" rifle? To me it's a rifle that is fully automatic. Not semi. As to the Rambo types in the woods, I bet you see a lot more shotgun "accidents" than you do semi "accidents". Won't hear to many calling for the restriction of them!! yes there are a ton of shotgun accidents, but they are mostly turkey hunting related when orange is not required and it happens at close ranges..
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