Semi-Automatic Rifles For Hunting?

[bubbawitha4570]

As to those who think that there should be mag limitations on hunting rifles: Don't try to think like those who would be taking away your rights to hunt/shoot/defend yourself. Just because YOU think that it shouldn't be necessary doesn't make everyone out there ready to unload a 20 rounder on their deer. I've went hunting with SKS's, M1A's, AR's, and FAL's. I didn't quite fall into the trap of just unloading everything when I saw that deer. I don't hunt with them anymore simply because I found something else that was more comfortable for me to use, and better served my purposes in the field.

Conversely, hunting with a bow... one shouldn't be allowed to utilize any release aids, optical sights (of any kind: scopes or pins), and nothing along the lines of an arrow holder mechanism that encloses the arrow. These weapons are used because they are primitive, therefor nothing "modern" should be allowed to aid the hunter above and beyond their natural skill level. I almost forgot to add any synthetic arrow materials. No metals, synthetics, or like substances in the shafts, fletchings, notch ect. The broadhead is OK for metals, just nothing more than "simple" heads, expanding or multiple (more than 2) cutting edges should not be allowed.

[DocHolladay]

Great points Bubba!!!

[psycho]

no they are not... bows are still a single projectile and very limited to 40-50 yards no matter how you dress it up.. Lame turn around IMO

[DocHolladay]

I am taking it that Bubba is saying, if you limit rifles, you might as well limit bows. We have come a long way from longbows and muzzleloaders. I also agree with Don that it is a few bad apples that sour the rest of the bunch.... as long as it is legal, use it. If you dont like it, dont use it.

I still like the idea of limiting the number of rounds like they have done with shotguns and migratory birds/waterfowl, but that is my opinion just like all the other replies from all the members above. Just dont let our opinions be taken out of context by the anti's.

[bubbawitha4570]

Psycho, all one has to do is to look farther than our small group to understand that what Zumbo said has been taken to the bank by the national anti-gunners. They will be able to make big news to persons who don't understand the difference between rifles/carbines/semis/full/whatever types of guns. Those persons will donate funds (usually big time) and "power" in one way or another to the antis. They will be saying that just what many of you have been saying here, "we don't NEED this type of gun to go hunting" when the 2nd amendment SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HUNTING. Think about it. All they want is one more wedge to push into the block of gunners so they can split us up, then burn the smaller peices alot easier...

And as far as making a "lame turnaround"....I didn't try to make it really eloquent for you. I just proved my point. It doesn't matter to me WHAT kind of bows/equipment you use, just that when I made a statement to the detriment of what you like to do/how you hunt (and BTW, I really don't know much about bow hunting) doesn't that make you want to fight a bit harder for your "rights" to hunt with whatever tools you have available?

Next time think a bit more, just like Zumbo should have, before you guys jump on the bandwagon of "hunting with other "nasty" weapons shouldn't be allowed". It didn't serve him very well, and won't serve us in the long term either. Once the "terrorist weapons" are outlawed, then what about your scope Remingtons/Winchesters/Savages? Those ARE sniper rifles in the antis minds...doesn't matter what you think, they are the ones putting out the big money/fundraisers and pushing legislation on the national and state levels. I'm sure that they don't really give a crap about what kind of meat you are allowed to eat next year, as long as a processor has made it, and you didn't shoot it with any type of gun. Right?

[bubbawitha4570]

just carrying it to the logical end of "you don't need that kind".

[bubbawitha4570]

From the myspace.com blog spot of the Brady Campaign.
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Sunday, February 18, 2007

The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles

I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of Sniper Rifles.
Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce:

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....

..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.."

Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree.

Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those who wish to murder from afar.

Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit www.50caliberterror.com. A shipment of large caliber machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs.

Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our homes and lives have not been attained.

Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years, with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower Sniper, and more.

ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal, inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is unreasonable.

Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states, they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one. If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down.

Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.

We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.

Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty "sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed. They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and rounds of ammunition to choose from without them.

Let us hope that in a safer, saner America, we will succeed in our efforts to restrict the deadly spread of long distance murder rifles.




I won't set up an account to get into the place at myspace, so I'm relying on trusted persons that have put this up on leverguns.com. Here is how they think. Divide and conquer, quite simple...works everytime it is tried.



Read the green colored part, all you have to do is transpose a couple of words and one starts to sound like Zumbo, or those who don't like different "acceptable" weapons for hunting.

[bigblue]

Bubba,
That's one scary post! Synthetic stock and removable magazine and we have an assault weapon, high power scope and heavy barrel and it's a sniper weapon. Create negativity and blame a gun for the actions of criminals. Meanwhile, who says the only guns we are to be allowed by the all knowing and benevolent government are for hunting use only? Our founders did not have hunting on their minds when they wrote the Second Amendment. They had the violent overthrow of oppressive governments in mind and the only government that should be in fear of an armed citizenry would necessarily be oppressive in nature. So what does that gun grabber crowd have in mind for us that they tremble at the very thought of us being properly armed?
Don

[GrampaJer]

I'm afraid that the cancer of this country will continue to destroy, all that is good. If I knew the address of the Wacko Hosp. where this 3rd floor , B ward Looney gets to publish this Fantasy Crap, I could send a copy to his Shrink..

[bubbawitha4570]

We have come to the point of the citizenry fearing the oppressive government. All one has to do is think about the fear that comes from doing something wrong with a weapon. A small slip up and one is branded for life as unfit for weapons ownership. Have the "wrong" part in a gun that was imported and you will be stripped of all weapons that you own for life. All that it takes is for one agent to decide that the part in your AK that you built isn't made in the US because it doesn't have the correct stamping in the metal or something. There were alot of FAL parts made that didn't have "Made in the USA" on them but were still made here, especially in the early days of that building craze. And now there are many instances of the ATF deciding (years after saying that the things being made weren't "guns") in the opposite direction of their earlier thoughts concerning parts kits from vendors, assembled "guns" , ect., with the associated companies getting raided and their customer lists being taken for perusal. Don't think this isn't and doesn't happen in the Peoples Republic of America. They will take whatever means necessary to attain their goal of dissarmament. The Zumbo fiasco happens to be part of the "soft" fight, as opposed to the "hard" fight when companies get raided and such. Fight soft (real hard) now, as opposed to having to fight "hard" later.

[DocHolladay]

According to that article, we will be hunting with BB guns if they win!!!!

[bubbawitha4570]

Those are also illegal to possess in many cities. Don't kid yourself.

Bismarck is one of those places.

[DocHolladay]

Tennessee is good on that account. Hell, we can buy fireworks 24/7. OHHHH, that gives me an idea for a new rifle....




j/k

[bigblue]

admin said:

According to that article, we will be hunting with BB guns if they win!!!!

In the State of New Jersey, BB guns and black powder are treated the same as any other firearm. A BB gun pistol would require a Firearms ID card and a one time handgun permit that is good for 90 for the purchase of one pistol. All of those are at the discretion of the local Police Chief.
Don

[madoktor1]

I am for mag limits but should be more than five. My M1 holds 8 and to go less I have to buy different clips. I have 5 total so that would make them useless and they are not easy to come by. Fulton has them sometimes but not always. 10 rounds would be goo and cover a lot of firearms like this.